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Wm Greene's fight v. IRS

Subject:Re: WmGreene's fight v. IRS
Date:6/20/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time
From:Sharon4Anderson

Wm Greenes Pro Se NY IRS - Google Search Thanks for Sticking with it: WHATS WITH CHEMO?
YOU OR WIFE? HANG TOUGH WE WILL WIN WITH THE RECORDS.
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Petitions to Watch Conference of 6.18.09 SCOTUSblog In a message dated 6/19/2009 7:06:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wm@greenes.us writes:

OK � now I�m confused. In the attempt to understand when our Appeal in the US Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit might be heard, I kept up on the Court's entries via pacer and all that it shows is that the Argument of the Appeal may be heard as early as the week of 06/22/2009.



As a background statement, we filed our Notice of Appeal on December 24th 2008 and our Appeal Brief and Appendix to Appeal Brief was filed in March, and the Government Attorney's Brief for the Appellee and Supplemental Appendix for the Appellee are linked as well. In response, we filed our Plaintiffs-Appellants' Reply To Appellees' Brief which was notarized and mailed out along with Appendix D. Shortly thereafter we found out that our filings were defective, and we responded to the Notice to correct with Form T-1080 and our Motion for Leave to File Docket Entry No. 10 as Appendix D , and on June 10th the Order was FILED GRANTING our motion, but in this whole process I had no idea that I would have to also motion to have our case heard.



That is, with it being this close I would think that the Court�s Docket Sheet would be more specific than it is with the statement presented that �Argument of the Appeal may be heard as early as the week of 06/22/2009,� but they run the show, so I waited until a few hours ago before having my wife call the Case Manager, and what she told my wife is that I had needed to file under Rule 34 and with that the Case Manager started asking how I was doing with my chemotherapy and after some more small talk the Case Manager said she would be sending out the paperwork on Monday and that I had 14 days to reply after I received the paperwork.



Well � that�s that � so I guess I'll know more soon, but at least you know as much as I do. Of course for those who have not kept up on the case, we are asking the USCA to Vacate the District Court's most recent Order and REMAND the case back to the USDC For Northern New York, in Albany New York for a second time. If that happens, it will mean that the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals agrees with us and allows us to sue the IRS independent of the United States, and the case will be opened up for joiners wherein-by all joiners will automatically have the signatory status of "Private Attorneys General" (de jure) and guaranteed protections pursuant to 42 U.S.C. � 1988, Qualified Criminal Investigators pursuant to 18 U.S.C. � 1510 and Federal Witnesses pursuant to 18 U.S.C. � 1512.



Blessings,


Bill


U.S. District Court
Northern District of New York - Main Office (Albany, NY)
CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 1:08-cv-00280-LEK-DRH
William M. Greene and Karen M. Greene

v.
Internal Revenue Service

Assigned to: Senior Judge Lawrence E. Kahn
Referred to: Magistrate Judge David R. Homer

Case in other court:
2nd Circuit, 08-03726-cv
2nd Circuit, 08-06284-cv

Cause: 18:241 Conspiracy Against Citizen Rights
Date Filed:
03/12/2008

Jury Demand:
Plaintiff

Nature of Suit:
440 Civil Rights: Other

Jurisdiction:
Federal Question
William M. Greene
represented by
William M. Greene
P.O. Box 279
Vooheesville, NY 12186
PRO SE
Plaintiff
Karen M. Greene
represented by
Karen M. Greene
P.O. Box 279
Voorheesville, NY 12186
PRO SE
V.
Defendant
Internal Revenue Service
represented by
Lisa L. Bellamy
U.S. Dept. of Justice - Tax Division
P.O. Box 55
Ben Franklin Station
Washington, DC 20044
202-307-6416
Fax: 202-514-5238
Email: lisa.l.bellamy@usdoj.gov
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
Date Filed
#
Docket Text
#1
03/12/2008
Docket #1
Complaint filed by William M. Greene and Karen M. Greene, pro se, against Internal
Revenue Service (Filing fee $350 receipt number ALB4166) Attachments # 1 Civil Cover
Sheet, # 2 Certificate of Personal Service) (sg). Modified on 5/23/2008 (sg). (Additional
attachment(s) added on 7/3/2008: # 3 Exhibits to Complaint Part I, # 4 Exhibits to
Complaint Part II) (sg, ). (Entered: 03/14/2008)
03/12/2008
Docket #2
Application to seal case by pro se plaintiffs William M. Greene and Karen M. Greene.
Modified on 5/23/2008 (sg). (Entered: 03/14/2008)
03/12/2008
Docket #3
ORDER granting 2 Motion to Seal Case. It is ORDERED, that this matter is SEALED for 60
days from the date of the signing of this Order; and it is further ORDERED, that plaintiffs'
motion for preliminary injunctive relief is DENIED. Signed by Senior Judge Lawrence E.
Kahn on 3/12/08. Modified on 5/23/2008 (sg). (Entered: 03/14/2008)
DS
Disclosure Statement
#4
05/09/2008
Docket #4
MOTION to amend three pages of original complaint for corrections; unseal the original
complaint to allow for joiners; and provide injunctive relief filed by plaintiffs William M.
Greene and Karen M. Greene. Motions referred to David R. Homer. (sg) (Entered:
05/19/2008)
05/16/2008
Docket #5
ORDER re 4 MOTION filed by plaintiffs William M. Greene and Karen M. Greene. IT IS
ORDERED: that plaintiff's request to amend pages 9, 11 and 109 of the Complaint (Dkt. 1)
to make the corrections listed in the Motion (Dkt. 4) is GRANTED; and it is further
ORDERED, that this matter is UNSEALED; and it is further ORDERED, that Plaintiffs file
and serve the Amended Complaint on the Government and on the Defendant; and it is
further ORDERED, that Plaintiffs' Motion for preliminary injunctive relief is DENIED. Signed
by Senior Judge Lawrence E. Kahn on 5/16/08. (sg) (Entered: 05/19/2008)
#6
05/21/2008
Docket #6
AMENDED COMPLAINT against Internal Revenue Service filed by William M. Greene,
Karen M. Greene.(sg) (Additional attachment(s) added on 7/8/2008: # 1 Exhibits Part I
(Page 43 missing), # 2 Exhibits Part II, # 3 Exhibits Part III) (sg, ). (Entered: 05/23/2008)
05/21/2008
Docket #7
G.O. 25 FILING ORDER ISSUED: Initial Conference set for 9/10/2008 09:30 AM in Albany
before Magistrate Judge David R. Homer. Civil Case Management Plan due by 9/2/2008.
(sg) (Entered: 05/23/2008)
05/21/2008
Docket #8
PRO SE HANDBOOK and NOTICE issued and explained to Pro Se Plaintiffs at time
complaint was filed (sg) (Entered: 05/23/2008)
05/23/2008
Summons Issued as to Internal Revenue Service, U.S. Attorney General and U.S. Attorney
for the Northern District of New York. (sg) (Entered: 05/23/2008)
#10
05/30/2008
Docket #10
AMENDED MOTION FOR PRELIMINARY INJUNCTIVE RELIEF: filed by William M. Greene,
Karen M. Greene. (Attachments: # 1 Affidavit of Information, # 2 Case Law, Part I, # 3
Case Law Part IA, # 4 Case Law Part II, # 5 Case Law Part IIA, # 6 Case Law Part III, # 7
Case Law Part IIIA, # 8 Case Law Part IV, # 9 Case Law Part IVA, # 10 Case Law Part V, #
11 Case Law Part VA, # 12 Case Law Part VB, # 13 Case Law Part VC, # 14 Case Law
Part VI, # 15 Case Law Part VIA, # 16 Case Law Part VII, # 17 Case Law Part VIIA, # 18
Case Law Part VIII, # 19 Case Law Part VIIIA, # 20 Case Law Part IX, # 21 Case Law Part
IXA, # 22 Case Law Part X, # 23 Case Law Part XA, # 24 Case Law Part XI, # 25 Case Law
Part XIA) Motions referred to David R. Homer. (sg, ) (Entered: 06/05/2008)
06/02/2008
Docket #9
NOTICE of Appearance by Lisa L. Bellamy on behalf of Internal Revenue Service
(Bellamy, Lisa) (Entered: 06/02/2008)
#11
06/02/2008
Docket #11
CORRECTIONS TO AMENDED MOTION FOR PRELIMINARY INJUNCTIVE RELIEF by
William M. Greene, Karen M. Greene (sg) (Entered: 06/05/2008)
06/03/2008
Docket #12
SUMMONS Returned Executed by William M. Greene, Karen M. Greene. Internal Revenue
Service served on 5/23/2008, answer due 6/12/2008. (Attachments: # 1 Summons
Returned Executed as to U.S. Attorney for the NDNY, served 5/21/08, # 2 Summons
Returned Executed as to US Attorney General, Served 5/28/08)(sg) (Entered: 06/05/2008)
06/09/2008
Docket #13
MOTION to Dismiss with Certificate of Service Motion Hearing set for 7/18/2008 09:30 AM
in Albany before Senior Judge Lawrence E. Kahn Response to Motion due by 7/1/2008
Reply to Response to Motion due by 7/7/2008. filed by Internal Revenue Service.
(Attachments: # 1 Memorandum of Law Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion to
Dismiss, # 2 Declaration Declaration of Lisa L. Bellamy, # 3 Exhibit(s) Case -- U.S. ex rel v.
Pentagon Technologies, # 4 Exhibit(s) Case -- We the People v. U.S.) (Bellamy, Lisa)
(Entered: 06/09/2008)
#14
06/13/2008
Docket #14
MOTION For Refusal of Notice of Appearance and to Strike All Pleadings of Glenn T.
Suddaby and Lisa L. Bellamy in the name of the United States Because the United States
is not a Defendant in the case filed by William M. Greene, Karen M. Greene. Motions
referred to David R. Homer. (sg) (Entered: 06/16/2008)
06/17/2008
Docket #15
RESPONSE in Opposition re 10 MOTION Preliminary Injunctive Relief filed by Internal
Revenue Service. (Bellamy, Lisa) (Entered: 06/17/2008)
06/17/2008
Docket #16
RESPONSE in Opposition re 14 MOTION refusal of notice of appearance and to strike all
pleadings of Glenn T. Suddaby and Lisa L. Bellamy in the name of the United States
Because the United States is not a Defendant in the case filed by Internal Revenue
Service. (Bellamy, Lisa) (Entered: 06/17/2008)
#17
06/27/2008
Docket #17
REPLY to Response to Motion re 14 MOTION refusal of notice of appearance and to strike
all pleadings of Glenn T. Suddaby and Lisa L. Bellamy in the name of the United States
Because the United States is not a Defendant in the case filed by William M. Greene,
Karen M. Greene. (ban) (Entered: 06/27/2008)
#18
06/27/2008
Docket #18
REPLY to Response to Motion re 10 MOTION Preliminary Injunctive Relief filed by William
M. Greene, Karen M. Greene. (ban) (Entered: 06/27/2008)
#19
06/27/2008
Docket #19
RESPONSE to Motion re 13 MOTION to Dismiss filed by William M. Greene, Karen M.
Greene. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit(s))(ban) (Entered: 06/27/2008)
06/30/2008
Set Deadlines as to 10 MOTION Preliminary Injunctive Relief. Motion Hearing is set for
7/18/2008 at 09:30 AM in Albany before Senior Judge Lawrence E. Kahn. Motion will be
considered on the submission of the motion papers, only. No oral arguments will be
entertained. (sas) (Entered: 06/30/2008)
07/02/2008
Docket #20
REPLY to Response to Motion re 13 MOTION to Dismiss with Certificate of Service filed by
Internal Revenue Service. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit(s) Case -- U.S. V. Webb)(Bellamy,
Lisa) (Entered: 07/02/2008)
07/03/2008
CLERK'S CORRECTION OF DOCKET ENTRY: Exhibits added to Dkt. 1 as Exhibits (parts I
and II) to the Complaint, which were filed over the counter with the Complaint on 3/12/08
by the pro se plaintiffs, but due to error were not docketed previously. (sg) (Entered:
07/03/2008)
#21
07/07/2008
Docket #21
NOTICE TO THE COURT OF WAIVER OF LIABILITY (with attached Exhibit #72- one page)
by William M. Greene, Karen M. Greene (sg) (Entered: 07/08/2008)
07/08/2008
CLERK'S CORRECTION OF DOCKET ENTRY re 6 Amended Complaint: Exhibits Parts I
(page 43 missing), II and III, which were filed in person with the Amended Complaint by pro
se plaintiffs William Greene and Karen Greene on 5/21/08, but were not previously
docketed, have been added to docket entry 6. (sg) (Entered: 07/08/2008)
#22
07/10/2008
Docket #22
REQUEST TO THE COURT TO SET HEARING DATE with regard to 14 plaintiffs' Motion
for Refusal of Notice of Appearance and to Strike All Pleadings....Because the United
States Is Not A Defendant In The Case, filed by William M. Greene, Karen M. Greene. (sg)
(Entered: 07/10/2008)
07/11/2008
Docket #23
ORDER denying Plaintiffs' 14 Motion to strike the notice of appearance of the attorneys
for the IRS and all pleadings filed by those attorneys (Dkt. 14). Signed by Magistrate
Judge David R. Homer on 7/11/08. (sg) (Entered: 07/11/2008)
#24
07/15/2008
Docket #24
Application for Leave to Bring an Interlocutory Appeal of This Court's July 11, 2008 Order
and Request for a Stay of Proceedings in the Name of the United States as a Defendant
and Memorandum in Support of Plaintiff's Motion for Refusal of Notice of Appearance and
to Strike All Pleadings...In the Name of the United States Because the United States is Not
a Defendant in the Captioned Case, and Grant Plaintiffs' Request for the Interlocutory
Appeal Without Requiring Bond, filed by William M. Greene, Karen M. Greene. (sg)
(Entered: 07/16/2008)
07/17/2008
Docket #25
ORDER denying in all respects 24 plaintiffs' request for an order granting leave to file an
interlocutory appeal and for a stay pending such appeal. Signed by Magistrate Judge
David R. Homer on 7/17/08. (sg) (Entered: 07/17/2008)
#26
07/25/2008
Docket #26
NOTICE OF APPEAL as to 23 Order on Motion for Miscellaneous Relief, and 25 Order on
Motion for Leave to Appeal by William M. Greene, Karen M. Greene. Filing fee paid: $
455, receipt number ALB0004496. Appeals packet mailed to pro se plaintiffs. (sg)
(Entered: 07/28/2008)
07/28/2008
Docket #27
ELECTRONIC NOTICE sent to US Court of Appeals re 26 Notice of Appeal. (sg) (Entered:
07/28/2008)
07/28/2008
Docket #28
ELECTRONIC CERTIFICATION to US Court of Appeals of Record on Appeal re 26 Notice
of Appeal, (sg ) (Entered: 07/28/2008)
08/04/2008
USCA Case Number is 08-3726-cv for 26 Notice of Appeal, filed by William M. Greene and
Karen M. Greene. (cbm ) (Entered: 08/04/2008)
08/15/2008
TEXT NOTICE. The Initial Pretrial Conference (Rule 16 conference) previously set for
9/10/2008 at 9:30 AM with Magistrate Judge David R. Homer is ADJOURNED WITHOUT
DATE pending decision on defendant's motion to dismiss 13 pending before Judge Kahn.
[copy of this notice sent by regular mail to pro se plaintiffs] (lah, ) (Entered: 08/15/2008)
Docket as
of 9/30/08
USCA2 Docket Sheet for 08-3726
10/23/2008
Docket #29
MANDATE of USCA, issued 10/21/08, as to pltfs' 26 Appeal, REMANDING with instructions
that the district court construe pltfs' 24 application for interlocutory appeal as an objection
to the magistrate judge's first 23 order, and address such an objection. (cbm ) (Entered:
10/23/2008)
11/18/2008
Motions No Longer Referred: 10 MOTION Preliminary Injunctive Relief pursuant to L.R.
7.1(b)(1). (lah, ) (Entered: 11/18/2008)
#30
11/24/2008
Docket #30
REQUEST for a Hearing Date Regarding the United States Court of Appeals September
29, 2008 Mandate and Our Right to a Proper Party in Our Suit filed by plaintiffs William M.
Greene and Karen M. Greene for William M. Greene and Karen M. Greene. (sg )
(Entered: 11/25/2008)
11/26/2008
Set Deadlines as to 24 Application for Interlocutory Appeal, which per mandate 29 , is
construed as objections to USMJ order 23. Response to Motion due by 12/12/2008.
Motion Hearing set for 1/2/2009 09:30 AM in Albany before Senior Judge Lawrence E.
Kahn. This motion will be considered on the submission of the motion papers, only. No oral
arguments will be entertained. (sas) (Entered: 11/26/2008)
12/03/2008
Docket #31
RESPONSE in Opposition re 24 MOTION for Leave to Appeal filed by Internal Revenue
Service. (Bellamy, Lisa) (Entered: 12/03/2008)
#32
12/10/2008
Docket #32
RESPONSE TO THE UNITED STATES' RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS' OBJECTIONS....AND
RIGHT TO PROPER PARTY IN SUIT AND SUBSQUENT REQUEST FOR HEARING DATE
filed by William M. Greene, Karen M. Greene (sg) (Entered: 12/11/2008)
12/23/2008
Docket #33
ORDERED, that Plaintiffs Motion for leave to file interlocutory appeal (Dkt. No. 24),
construed as Objections to the July 11 Order (Dkt. No. 23) in accordance with the
Mandate of the Second Circuit (Dkt. No. 29) are DENIED and DISMISSED; and it is further
ORDERED, that Defendants Motion to dismiss (Dkt. No. 13) is GRANTED; and it is further
ORDERED, that Plaintiffs Amended Motion for preliminary injunctive relief (Dkt. No. 10) is
DENIED; and it is further ORDERED, that Plaintiffs Amended Complaint (Dkt. No. 6) is
DISMISSED with prejudice in its entirety. Signed by Senior Judge Lawrence E. Kahn on
12/23/08. (sas) (Entered: 12/23/2008)
12/23/2008
Docket #34
JUDGMENT in favor of Internal Revenue Service against Karen M. Greene, William M.
Greene. IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED, that the case is DISMISSED and judgment is
entered in favor of the defendant as against the plaintiffs in accordance with the Decision
and Order of the Hon. Lawrence E. Kahn, U.S. District Judge, dated 12/23/08. Signed by
Scott A. Snyder, CRD to Hon. Lawrence E. Kahn. (sg) (Entered: 12/23/2008)
#35
12/24/2008
Docket #35
NOTICE OF APPEAL as to 33 Order on Motion for Miscellaneous Relief, Order on Motion
to Dismiss and 34 Judgment by William M. Greene, Karen M. Greene. (sg) (Entered:
12/30/2008)
12/30/2008
Docket #36
ELECTRONIC CERTIFICATION to US Court of Appeals of Record on Appeal re 35 Notice
of Appeal (sg) (Entered: 12/30/2008)
12/30/2008
Docket #37
ELECTRONIC NOTICE sent to US Court of Appeals re 35 Notice of Appeal (sg) (Entered:
12/30/2008)
12/31/2008
USCA Appeal Fees received: $ 455, receipt number ALB004765 re 35 Notice of Appeal
filed by William M. Greene, Karen M. Greene (sg) (Entered: 12/31/2008)
12/31/2008
Docket #38
ELECTRONIC CERTIFICATION to US Court of Appeals of Record on Appeal re 35 Notice
of Appeal (sg) (Entered: 01/05/2009)
12/31/2008
Docket #39
ELECTRONIC NOTICE sent to US Court of Appeals re 35 Notice of Appeal (sg) (Entered:
01/05/2009)
01/20/2009
Scheduling order #1 filed. Appellants brief due 2/20/2009. Appellees brief due 3/20/2009.
Ready week 5/1/2009. [TM] [Entry date Jan 20 2009] [TM]
01/20/2009
Notice to counsel re: Scheduling Order #1 filed on 1/20/2009. [Entry date Jan 20 2009]
[TM]
01/21/2009
The new case manager assigned to this case is: Holmes, Deborah. [Entry date Jan 21
2009] [RR]
01/27/2009
Notice of appeal acknowledgment letter from Karen Greene, William Greene received.
Entry date Jan 27 2009 ] [DH]
01/27/2009
Notice of Appearance Filed by Curtis Pett on behalf of IRS. (Orig in acco, copy to
Calendar and Admissions Dept.). [Entry date Jan 30 2009] [DH]
01/27/2009
Letter dated January 23, 2009 from Attorney, Curtis C. Pett, Appellate Section informing
this Court to inform their office of any information in connection with this case, received.
[Entry date Jan 30 2009] [DH]
01/28/2009
USCA Case Number is 08-6284-cv for 35 Appeal filed by William and Karen M. Greene.
(cbm ) (Entered: 01/28/2009) (from District Court)
02/19/2009
Appellant Karen Greene, Appellant William Greene motion for a thirty-day extension of
time to file briefs, filed with proof of service. [Entry date Feb 24 2009] [DH]
02/24/2009
Notice to counsel/pro se re: Motion Order dated 2/24/09. [Entry date Feb 24 2009] [DH]
02/24/2009
Scheduling order #2 filed. Appellants brief due 3/20/2009. Appellees brief due 4/20/2009.
Ready week 6/1/2009. [Entry date Feb 24 2009] [DH]
02/24/2009
Notice to counsel/pro se re: Scheduling Order #2 dated 2/24/09. [Entry date Feb 24
2009] [DH]
02/24/2009
Order FILED GRANTING motion for a thirty-day extension of time to file briefs by Appellant
William Greene, Appellant Karen Greene, endorsed on motion dated 2/19/2009. [Entry
date Feb 24 2009] [DH]
02/26/2009
Notice of Appearance Filed by Karen Greene, William Greene on behalf of Appellants.
(Orig in acco, copy to Calendar and Admissions Dept.). [Entry date Feb 27 2009] [DH]
02/26/2009
Briefs Received, Awaiting Processing.[Entry date Feb 27 2009] [DH]
AB
02/26/2009
Appeal
Brief
APPELLANT Karen Greene, William Greene, brief FILED with proof of service. [Entry
date Mar 10 2009 ] [DH]
02/26/2009
Appendix
to Appeal
Brief
APPELLANT Karen Greene, William Greene, appendix filed. [Entry date Mar 10 2009] [DH]
Letter dated April 13, 2009 from Attorney, Curtis C. Pett, Appellant Section informing this
Court of their request for an extension of time of 21 days, to May 11, 2009.
Order &
Scheduling
Order
Order FILED GRANTING motion for a twenty-one day extension, and Scheduling order #3
filed. Appellee's brief may be served and filed on or before 05/11/2009. Argument of the
Appeal may be herard as early as the week of 06/22/2009.
05/08/2009
Cover Letter for Brief for Appellee, Brief for the Appellee, and Supplemental Appendix for
the Appellee
RB
05/21/2009
Reply Brief
APPELLANT Karen Greene, William Greene, reply brief received. Problem Appendix
Attached Motion required to file. [Entry date May 21 2009 ] [DH]
05/21/2009
APPELLANT Karen Greene, William Greene, defective filed. Notice sent to party to correct
by 6/1/09. [Entry date May 21 2009 [DH]
06/01/2009
APPELLANT Karen Greene, William Greene, defective document cured. Note: Motion
received. [Entry date Jun 3 2009] [DH]
MTF
06/01/2009
APPELLANT Karen Greene, William Greene, Form T-1080 and Motion for Leave to File
Docket Entry No. 10 as Appendix D filed, with proof of service. for [Entry date Jun 3 2009]
[DH]
06/10/2009
Notice to counsel and pro se re: Order dated 06/10/09.[Entry date Jun 10 2009] [AC]
06/10/2009
APPELLANT Karen Greene, William Greene, reply brief filed with proof of service. [Entry
date Jun 10 2009] [AC]
06/10/2009
APPELLANT Karen Greene, William Greene, reply appendix filed w/pfs. [Entry date Jun 10
2009] [AC]
06/10/2009
Order FILED GRANTING motion leave to file by Appellant William Greene, Appellant
Karen Greene, endorsed on motion dated 6/1/2009 [Entry date Jun 10 2009] [AC]
UPDATED AS OF
Docket Sheet as of June 11, 2009, 2:06am
As you might imagine and as you can plainly see from all of the above, this has been a
LOT for us (my wife and I) to do and at times it is hard to fully realize that we are not so
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as www.greenes.us/aboutus.html, www.greenes.us/notanagency.html,
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www.greenes.us/services.html, www.greenes.us/contactus.html,
www.greenes.us/truth_attack.html, www.greenes.us/civildocket.html,
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